Some women indicate that they are very uncomfortable with idea of women-only programs. It doesn't seem “natural” for women to talk together or work on their own.

• We thought the women should know what their rights were in terms of custody, in terms of any type of family law...We do things like that. We focus on women but we invite the men to be a part of it as well...And that can certainly make for a lively discussion. Because some men are so set in their ways that we thought that this needs to be talked about and we need to talk about why We thought it was quite therapeutic in one way for them to stay-their minds were obviously changing as they heard all the things that were going on and it was quite good. But I don't know that we actually start by going into the program saying this needs to be addressed for women. I think we do it, but I think it's not conscious .

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• I certainly think that at certain levels there should be co-education because that is how people work together and how do you get around the whole sexual thing. It's another level of education as well. I certainly don't think that women should always be grouped unto themselves and men should always be grouped unto themselves. But I do think that if people psychologically deal with some of the things they have to deal with before they take on the academics and the impartiality of sex... I think that a lot of our sexual problem is that psychologically that hasn't been worked out first amidst like-mindedness.

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• I think in many ways we don't separate out a women's course from the men, because we think whatever happens with women, it will affect men. I think we need to let the men realize that women have a place, that they have a focus, that there are things that are important to them. And I think just to say to the women, "This is for you and you only," and to say to the men, "You don't need to know about that,” well....

  We've gone through things in science like the reproductive cycle. We thought that men should know as much about the women's reproductive cycle as women should. Now, if some are interested in something that no- body else is, that is particular to women, then a group of women are quite welcome to work on it. We don't force anything onto people. But if we feel it is pertinent to how a man will see himself in society or how a man will see himself in terms of the law, then we think that they should know about it.

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• Part of my problem is I'm very tender about [the issue of women-only classes]. It's not a battle I'm going to take on because I don't have the personal strength to take what will be said and I don't have the personal strength to make the explanation over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. That's one that I really have trouble being "light" about. And that's absolutely mandatory... Making jokes at the same time that you make the point... I'd be very surprised to hear that this is anything that this organization would even be allowed to consider. It's a decision that would be made so many levels above us.

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• I should say on the record that I think we do not exclude the men. We get jokes about that and I think that some of the males out there in the community aren't sure what the situation is here... Their perception of looking at it on paper would have been that it would have been a man-hating organization. But those vibes just aren't there. It's really open. We're not insular at all. We don't bite.

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• There aren't too many men that find it easy to work in this kind of [woman-positive] environment.

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