2-1 What do we do when we begin to talk among ourselves as “women”

A group of nine women students from a community college on the west coast is sitting around a table with one of their instructors and myself. We have agreed to meet for the next three days from 10:15 to 12:15. The sun is coming in through a wall of windows as we head into the last half hour of discussion for this first day. Already, we've gone round the table with questions like-

  • How did you know there were classes here at this campus?
  • What kind of changes did you have to make in your life in order to come?
  • Did anyone help you make some of these changes?
  • What surprised you about the classes?

Now an instructor, who is facilitating the group, talks a bit more about how I have come to find out about women's experience with upgrading programs. She asks us to think about how their experience, as women, might be different from the experience of the men who are at the college. It is clearly a difficult question and there is not a lot of response. Finally, one of the women says, "How would we know the difference?" Other women laughed in relief as they reflected back the statements, "We haven't been men. We don't know what their experience is!" Also, some words and body language said, "We haven't thought of ourselves as women here, different from the men."

Towards the end of the second day, the instructor asks the question:

  • Do you think this group would be different if there were men here?
There is an immediate vocal and body response to this question with many of us laughing, making faces and moving around.

There is much less hesitation around this question-partly because it is a more concrete question and partly because we've discussed being women for two days now. We feel free to agree and disagree with each other-despite our differences in age, race, culture and formal education.

Do you think this group would be different if there were men here?

  • I think it would be extremely different! I think that a lot of us would shut up! I don't think we would be as open as we are in talking about the things we've been talking about Because... they're men.
  • Maybe because you start to feel like they might not understand. It's like sometimes you're talking about certain things you just don't want to talk to men about. Because sometimes women just like to talk among themselves. I'm sure men are the same way. Because they feel sort of self conscious too in opening up their problems. They talk to other guys all the time. Or to their friends.
  • Well usually when you're in a group discussion women are more apt to be more open... I think it's just because the way you feel, you feel a bit more uptight maybe... You talk about how they're going to react... I feel a lot better in all-women groups just because you think well, she understands how I feel about it, just because she is a woman. Because she's got the same problems maybe. Just even though she's a different kind of person. You think, she knows how you feel. It's just easier talking. You feel more comfortable because they're the same as you.
  • I like it better in a mixed group, really... Sometimes these men, it's good for them to know our problems. It's nice to be able to understand men, to tell them how you feel. Sometimes I think there's not enough communication between people. They do have all the same needs and wants. They do have all the same problems really.


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